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Interesting piece. I think it all shows how a lot of it is a need for supportive housing and wraparound services and not long term stays in acute psych. A free place to stay, prepared meals, and a nurse who drops by to give an LAI would do a lot to lift the burden on families of people with schizophrenia.

Freddie often seems very blind to the mental illnesses that are not the manic phase of bipolar 1 or schizophrenia, and which also frequently lead to contact with the medical system.

I've got bipolar 1, but am generally more prone to depression than mania. I've been hospitalized a few times over the years, with real benefit from a couple stays, and have met a lot of people in the units with very different reasons they are there. Some are obviously benefitting - one place I stayed offered ECT and it was extremely visible how much it helped a couple of the severely depressed patients, but others seem to be admitted for very unclear reasons and discharged very quickly. Or I met a few with BPD who were hospitalized frequently for long stays and had the kitchen sink of meds thrown at them (Clozapine?) with little benefit, and if they'd had rich parents would've been shuttled off to Austen Riggs or McLean.

I think a lot of the public doesn't realize that psych wards are basically holding pens until the meds kick in or you cool off enough that you can be discharged. The kinds of help and therapy that they imagine depressed or suicidal people are getting are more available in intensive outpatient and partial hospitalization programs than inpatient. People say "text 988" or "go to the ER" when for many depressed/anxious/borderline people who are not in immediate danger, going to bed and calling their local day program the next morning would be more beneficial at much less cost.

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I feel like Freddie missed the point. He seemed to start from the assumption that the sicker marginal patients were committed, and seemed incapable of acknowledging that might not be the case. I'm bewildered by his defence of involuntary admission (in marginal cases). And by his interpretation of Awais Aftab's heading. I didn't read Aftab as denying involuntary admission was ever necessary.

I'm someone who's been harmed by not being admitted when floridly psychotic (misdiagnosis) and who's also been harmed by involuntary admission when not. There are times, given this society, when involuntary admission is necessary. But unless slam dunk mania or psychosis, there's no evidence supporting involuntary admission as preventing suicide, and I'm adamantly opposed to treating suicidal individuals like criminals and depriving them of their basic human rights. At my medical school hospital's ED, the default for junior doctors is to detain - nobody will criticise you for doing an interim hold - screw the patient's human rights. I've seen a Senior Reg detain a patient (on collateral from parents) who was discharged the next day with a Bipolar 2 diagnosis - which by definition does not necessitate hospital.

Thanks for pointing out the logistics... Freddie's ghoulish parade seemed to imply psychiatrists should somehow be able to predict who is homicidal, and that everyone and his dog who isn't totally sane should be locked up on the one in the million chance they might be an axe murderer. Do we need a parade of the criminally sane... Would Freddie use that as a basis for locking every sane person up too, since they're also likely to be axe murderers??? The logic escapes me.

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